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Nursing Discipline

January 5, 2002
North Area meeting
Sacramento Hilton

Members Present:
Robyn Nelson, Chair, CSU Sacramento, nelsonrm@csus.edu
Suzanne Sutherland, CSU Sacramento, sutherla@csus.edu
Louise Timmer, CSU Sacramento Co-Coordinator, timmerlf@csus.edu
Sherry Fox, Chair, CSU Chico, sdfox@csuchico.edu
Julia Shovein, CSU Chico, jshovein@csuchico.edu
Marshelle Thobaben, CSU Humboldt, mt1@humboldt.edu
Wendy Hollis, chair, LA Harbor Community College, Co-Coordinator, hollis22@lahc.cc.ca.us
Meredith Harris, Chair, College of the Redwoods, Meredith-Harris@Eureka.redwood.cc.ca.us
Holly  Stromberg, Allan Hancock Community College, hstromberg@hancock.cc.ca.us
Marlene Feldscher, Sierra Community College, mfeldscher@scmail.sierra.cc.ca.us

Louise Timmer and Wendy Hollis welcomed all of the chairs and faculty to the 4th Regional Meeting.  After introductions, Louise distributed the handouts for discussion.  The handouts included the three minutes of meetings Nov. 17, Dec. 1, Dec. 15, (on the IMPAC website:  www.cal-impac.org), agenda items identified last year, 5 regional areas with nursing programs, Questionnaire Survey for the Chairs/Directors of the Community College nursing programs, IMPAC Meeting Dates sheet, CSU Nursing Core Committee PowerPoint Presentation given by Robyn Nelson, Chair to the Joint Meeting of the CACN and the COADN Directors/Chairs Meeting, October 11, 2001, a Copy of the Report on the Nursing Shortage submitted by Sarah Keating, CSPCN to the Legislative Health Committee, October 30, 2001 and the Agenda for the day's meeting.

Robyn Nelson, chair of CSU Nursing Core Alignment Committee gave an update on the activities of last year and addressed the goals for this year.  The Core 8 prerequisites to all 14 generic nursing programs include anatomy with a lab, physiology with a lab, microbiology with a lab, integrated chemistry course, English composition, Speech, math and critical thinking course.  The last 4 courses are required for transfer to all CSU campuses.  Robyn reported that the CSU chairs/directors are requesting a waiver for the critical thinking course and will substitute it for the critical thinking nursing course or a critical thinking course to be taken before graduation.  The math course could either be the GE math course or a GE statistics course.  Louise requested that these Core 8 courses be taken back to the community college nursing programs and discussed with the faculty for possible adoption as their prerequisite courses.  The goal is to create alignment and reduce the barriers for students to transfer into the CSU nursing programs for the baccalaureate degree.  Louise reported that Jane Church, articulation office working with the IMPAC Nursing Discipline, researched the CAN courses for the Core 8 courses.  Louise requested that Robyn and the CSU Nursing Core Alignment Committee review the CAN courses for relevancy and currency.  The Core 8 courses will be in the CSU 2004 catalogs on all campuses. 

The CAN courses include:

  • Anatomy with lab | CAN Bio 10
  • Physio with lab | CAN Bio 10 or CAN BIO Seq B
  • Micro with lab | CAN 14
  • English | CAN Engl 2
  • Math (Stats) | CAN Stat 2

Co-Requisites

  • Nutrition | CAN FCS 2
  • Growth & Dev | Depends- CAN has a Child Dev course
  • Socio | CAN Soc 2
  • Psych | CAN Psy 2

Robyn commented on the goals for this year:  (l) Standardize admission requirements to the CSU nursing programs (2) Standardize process for determination of equivalency for pre-licensure coursework for the ADN to BSN students, (3) Propose a GE pattern for the nursing major to eliminate campus to campus variability and (4) develop an on-line application process and source for available "seats" in all CSU nursing programs.  Louise reported that several community college chairs/directors at the regional meeting in Fresno, Dec. 15 made a similar request for a statewide on-line application pool of qualified candidates to be shared with all CC and CSU nursing programs that have space available each semester. 

Robyn was asked by the community college nursing faculty about the collaborative effort between the Sacramento City College and CSU Sacramento nursing programs. Robyn proudly reported that the BRN approved of the integrated nursing program at the December BRN meeting.  The program began this January 2002 with 8 students selected from the CSU Sacramento nursing applicant pool.  These students will begin their nursing program at Sacramento City College, having completed the Introduction to Professional Nursing and Gerontology nursing courses at CSU Sacramento.  The nursing students have dual enrollment at SCC and CSUS and will enter CSUS nursing program again as seniors to take Community Health, and the last semester coursework.  A description of the integrated nursing program is attached.  More information can be obtained from Robyn Nelson at: nelsonrm@csus.edu.  Robyn commented that this nursing program model could be easily replicated between the community college and CSU nursing programs in other areas in the state.  Robyn and Diane Welch, Chairs of CSU Sacramento and Sacramento City College respectively were congratulated on the integrated nursing program.  The chairs and nursing faculties from each nursing program expended much effort to make this program work!

The integrated chemistry course was discussed.  All nursing faculty present agreed that this is what is needed for all CC and CSU nursing programs.  This would be discussed in the afternoon session with the chemistry faculty.  At the lst regional meeting in Oakland, Nov. 17, the chemistry faculty agreed to form a subcommittee with nursing faculty to explore the development of an integrated chemistry course.  James Armstrong, chair of Chemistry Department, San Francisco Community College agreed to serve as Chairperson.  Other chemistry faculty who volunteered include Chris Riegle, Irvine Valley College, Sharon Roberts, CSU Bakersfield, Joe Brundage, Cuesta College,  Robert Dietz, Bakersfield College and Jim Postma, CSU Chico.  Nursing faculty include Wendy Hollis, LA Harbor Community College, Bonnie Raingruber, CSU Sacramento and Julia Shovein, CSU Chico.  Julia discussed the document she compiled of 5 chemistry courses, 4 are integrated chemistry courses from the community college and CSU systems.  The campuses included CSU Chico, Dominguez Hills, San Bernardino, San Francisco City College and Coastline Community College. The subcommittee will review the chemistry courses and propose an integrated chemistry course that could be used by both the CC and CSU nursing programs. 

The math content needed by nursing students was discussed.  The Math 72 course and the math exam materials from CSU Sacramento nursing program were reviewed.  It was the consensus of the nursing faculty from both CC and CSU systems that nursing students must come prepared with math knowledge and skills relating to algebra, ratios and conversions.  Math assignments and quizzes should have word problems relating to pharmacology.  It was agreed that the math faculty should include this math content in the GE math course required for transfer to the CSU and not be an additional math course requirement.  The community college nursing programs may not have more than 72 units to maintain NLN accreditation and the CSU nursing programs must meet the new Title 5 requirements of 120 units for the baccalaureate degree.

Wendy Hollis discussed the Survey Questionnaire she distributed to the chairs/directors of the community college nursing programs.  The survey requests information about the nursing courses and the sequencing of them in all 71 nursing programs.  Wendy will compile a grid for all nursing faculty to review for possible alignment of nursing courses that will reduce the barriers for nursing students who transfer from one CC campus to another CC campus. 

The grid for the community college nursing programs for the general education pattern was reviewed.  The GE patterns vary greatly from one CC campus to another.  The nursing faculty viewed this disparity as a barrier to NLN accreditation.  This issue needs to be brought to the ADN chairs/directors next general meeting for discussion as well as the Community College Statewide Academic Senate.

The preparation of high school students, recruitment efforts, and the development of an internet statewide data base of nursing applicants were deferred to next meeting.

The afternoon meeting was held between the chemistry faculty and the math faculty.  The chemistry faculty held a discussion in the morning regarding the nursing faculty's request for an integrated chemistry course.  The chemistry faculty believe that the integrated chemistry course should include organic and biochemistry content only and inorganic chemistry should be obtain in a high school chemistry course.  The consensus was to have all nursing applicants be required to complete a high school chemistry course.  The nursing faculty commented that most of the students declaring a pre-nursing major did not take a chemistry course in high school.  The chemistry faculty believed that 5 unit course with inorganic, organic and biochemistry would be too demanding for the community college and university pre-nursing student.  The chemistry faculty mentioned that the CAN course for an integrated chemistry course is CAN Chem 8 and the subcommittee should review this CAN course for relevancy and currency. 

The math faculty met with the nursing faculty to discuss inclusion of math content into the GE math course for the community college system.  The math faculty reviewed the math 72 1 unit course at Chabot College and the math quizzes from the CSU Sacramento nursing program.  The math faculty agreed that the math content was too elementary to be included in the college GE math course and a 1-2 unit math course should be developed for nursing students.  The nursing faculty from both the CC and CSU systems agreed that an additional course would only add more units to the already unit heavy nursing programs.  The goal was to reduce the units to the nursing degree by incorporating math content into the required GE math course.  The math faculty made several suggestions:·

  • Develop a GE math course section for nursing students.  The nursing faculty remarked that this would restrict the nursing students to one section of the GE math course each semester and to campuses large enough that could offer a section for nursing students only.  
  • Another idea was to provide an admission screening math test for nursing applicants.  Nursing applicants who failed the screening math test would have an online or CD Rom disc they could buy to study and retake the math entrance test.
  • The nursing faculty believed that more discussion was needed with the math faculty.  The consensus is to develop a Math Subcommittee of math and nursing faculty to discuss possible solutions and to avoid developing another math course requirement for nursing students.

Recommendations:

1. Discuss the Core 8 prerequisite courses with all the community college nursing programs for possible adoption.

2. Complete the community college Survey Questionnaire and return to Wendy Hollis. 

3. Begin work with the Integrated Chemistry Subcommittee to review the 5 chemistry courses and the CAN 8 course.

4. Develop a Math Subcommittee to further explore math content incorporation in the GE math courses or other solutions.

5. Request to place the GE pattern unit variability on the next CC Chairs/Directors meeting and bring the concern to the CC Statewide Academic Senate for review.

6. Develop a statewide Internet database of nursing applicants that the CC and CSU nursing chairs/directors can access for space availability in nursing programs.

 

 
 
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