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South
Region
Long Beach Regional Meeting Nov 16, 2002
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sdavid@imperial.cc.ca.us, jstewart@elcamino.edu
The notes from the Northern Regional Meeting (Oakland Oct 26, 2002)
were discussed. Many of the same topics are of concern to the Southern
group as well.
CAN Descriptors. There was general agreement with the idea that
the ACS course outlines and "Guides" and the ACS exams
be used to indicate curricula and the appropriate level of the courses.
The most difficult of the courses to define is Organic Chemistry.
There are problems with the State Colleges and the University accepting
courses from the Community Colleges. There are two sets of problems.
The first is the specification of arbitrary requirements. The example
given at the Northern meeting was the specification of access to
an NMR machine. Many more examples emerged in this meeting, including
the requirement that the topics be taught in essentially the same
order as in the accepting school. The second set of criteria involved
the nominal expertise of the instructors - requiring that an acceptable
course be taught by an instructor with a PhD, for example, with
an MS degree not acceptable. It was noted at both Regional Meetings
that the University tends to be more flexible than some of the State
Colleges in accepting Chemistry credits from the Community Colleges.
Using the ACS Examinations as criteria would change the emphasis
from the organization of the various courses to an emphasis on the
skill of the students who have completed the courses.
Laboratory: Requirements for the laboratory were discussed and
the point was made that the course should require a notebook with
write-ups of the experiments.
The question of requirements for Nursing majors was discussed.
It was agreed that if the requirement for the Nurses was only one
semester of Chemistry, it should be the Organic Chem, BioChem semester.
The ACS has a number of exams that can serve as placement exams
for the first college chemistry course and also as waiver out of
one or more terms of General Chemistry.
In a meeting with the Engineering group, there was discussion of
the SCIGETC and of the Transfer AA degree. Because of the requirement
that Science courses be taken in sequence, it is difficult to specify
a set of courses that could be completed in the time available as
a lower division student and still be satisfactory for most technical
majors. The Transfer AA degree seems less a matter for the individual
subject matter groups than for the Community College Administrations.
In a meeting with the Biology group, the Chemistry requirements
for Biology courses were discussed. A possible starting point is
the new National Academy of Sciences Report: Biology 2010. This
is available at http://www.nap.edu/books/0309085357/html/
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